New Exploit in AV?

[Bigairbrucey]

I was told in a AV game the Horde can take SPGY from a distance by just clicking on it? anyone know about this?

[Stigg]

Don't know about that....but there is a path similar to the ally AV exploit to get to their final GY without going through the town :)

[ecartman]

heard they (horde) can use farsight and cap from distance. Never seen it happen myself but person in AV BG said they called Blizz and they were aware and " workin on it"

[Wotok]

Yes, shamans can take a GY using some sort of 'far sight'. The bastards used it today to cheat their way to a win. They capped SH gy and kept recapping FW RH from outside the fence.

[voidvector]

The exploit is not shaman exclusive. I saw an undead rogue cap from a distance when I was guarding SPGY. A few people reported that it can be done on Alliance side, but I haven't seen it after a whole night of AV.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Yeah I'm glad I only needed 1000 honor to get the last pvp reward I wanted for pre TBC... I don't like being part of wins like that. At first I couldn't tell what was going on but you can now cap SP and AS from like 20 yards away (maybe others as well). I saw this thread right before I left and then when people started mentioning in BG chat that they hadn't lost an AV all day I put 2 and 2 together.

[Falgorn]

Started hearing about this about 2 days ago in Guild chat. Flags capping when no Horde were near it.

It continues to amaze me how people manage to discover these exploits. It seems since PvP got more popular that a lot of these exploits have been found. The really annoying thing is that every time I see someone exploiting in WSG (and it happens at least 1 in 3 BG's now) I report them but get the same automated response that player will be warned etc but have not heard of anyone being banned.

I like to think it's not a waste reporting every time I see an exploit, but if there is one thing I can not stand it's people that win through foul play.

[Oatmealsmurf]

I think it was a bug that came with the new patch... and it would probably be pretty easy to stumble across... if you happen to mouse over the flag and golden gear pops up... that's all you need.

[Falgorn]

As suspect as with many other current BG exploits that the discovery is a little more complicated and malicious than that. I do know that it's not a simple tagging from distance issue but that it is done through some broken mechanic.

[Oatmealsmurf]

I'm sensing a tendancy with you to blow things out of proportion. Our battle group went from horde losing 90% of our AV games to winning 90% of our AV games in the span of 2 days. Coincidentally we got a patch 2 days ago.

If it's that complicated and malicious intent is needed to discover it there is no way it's usage would spread that fast.

[Falgorn]

Well I actually go out of my way not to exagerate when possible, but like I said, a week ago I saw my first Horde in the passageway before the match started in WSG.

Now almost every second or third game I see it, or I see a Horde Flag carrier on the roof, behind the base or frantically trying to get up there.

As soon as a new exploit breaks its up on u-tube pretty fast and from there + ingame word of mouth you get a lot of people hearing about it at least if not knowing about it. Furthermore it only really requires 1 person in AV knowing about this to give either side a pretty huge advantage so it's spread may only seem prolific due to it's impact and regular use.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Getting out of the tunnel before the match starts in WSG and the exploits on the roof have been around for months (well actually longer than that reportedly but I saw them both used first hand months ago). And most people who know about their existance still don't know how to do them. This is a new phenomena that a lot of people are using. It can't be that complicated.

[Falgorn]

Well not to be going wildly off topic, I still get the impression that there is more to this than just clicking from a distance but I'm sure all will be revealed in due course.

The exploits have existed in WSG for a lot longer than they should have been able to stay in the game but it's all the new epic hungry muppets that seem to have popularised them. I had seen the roof exploit before, but didn't know about the tunnel one until last week. Eitherway I play WSG gulch regularly and it's only been in the last 1 - 2 weeks that things have really deteriorated. I can actually make the roof jump on the Horde base in WSG almost first try now just from going up there to get the damn flag back...

[mesonm]

Its a bug, and blizz has acknowledged it and is working on correcting it.

[Oatmealsmurf]

All the epic hungry people are in AV and AB (mainly AV)... they only go to WSG if they need the tokens because it's the slowest honor grind (well maybe Alliance honor grinders avoid AB and opt for WSG instead). Most of the people who are in WSG go there because that's just the BG they want to play... they are WSG vets and that's probably why it seems like a larger percentage know the exploits all of a sudden. It's not that... it's just most of the players that were occasional BG players before the honor revamp are now in AV.

[ghost maker]

yes, it is true. For some reason now, both horde and alliance are able to cap flags in AV and AB from a distance. It does seem that horde are able to cap flags from a further distance then alliance. The Horde are able to take SP graveyard from behind the hill and I on my alliance character was only able to take flag from about 20 to 30 yards away (close enough to agro guards). I noticed the same thing at the Aid station.

While this was incredibly annoying at first. There are only a couple of spots someone can hide to do this, and learning the hiding spots wasn't too bad.

The best thing about this (even from a alliance view point) is that games have sped up. More people are going to offense and more importantly que times have dropped from 25 minutes (for AV) to 3 minutes. I typically will get 225 to 330 bonus honor for a win and 180 to 250 for a loss. As quick as the ques are now. I really think this will increase how much honor people will gain (win or lose) overall. While we seem to be loosing the majority of AV games now, I really think it will be a learning curve and balance out. I would like the bug fixed thou.

I am just glad the ques times are lower :) And it dosen't seem to be affecting my AB games much. But it can be done in AB too. I believe this weekend is AV weekend.......prob will be pretty crazy.

[Falgorn]

All the epic hungry people are in AV and AB (mainly AV)... they only go to WSG if they need the tokens because it's the slowest honor grind (well maybe Alliance honor grinders avoid AB and opt for WSG instead). Most of the people who are in WSG go there because that's just the BG they want to play... they are WSG vets and that's probably why it seems like a larger percentage know the exploits all of a sudden. It's not that... it's just most of the players that were occasional BG players before the honor revamp are now in AV.

I find I get honour the fastest in WSG. It is my least favourite of the three BG's but definitly in my own exprience the most rewarding.

If I don't have a premade to join I will do AV, but I don't get the same honour per hour as in WSG or AB. Again this is possibly down to running wsg/ab only with premades. Certainly solo AV may well offer the best returns. Very frustrating at times though, especially when everyone seems to feel the need to scream in /bg in caps all the time.

[Oatmealsmurf]

It's definitely down to running with only premades... because honor in WSG is based on winning... if you don't cap any flags you get no bonus honor and you can get into a turtle game with two pugs going at it that last for an hour and still get no bonus honor. And let's face it most WSG games end 3-0... there aren't many hard fought games where the teams are evenly matched and both cap 2 times.

In Most AB games you're going to hold one or two nodes at least for a short time even if your team is horrible so you get honor and in AV you can get 275 bonus honor and lose in 15 minutes. It's not even a choice for horde who have instant AV queues. It's all about the honor grind since the revamp. You kill every honor yeilding NPC you can cap the bunkers and then if you are able to kill Van before the Alliance gets to Drek then it's a bonus.

Fact is most games (prior to the patch at least) in my BG ended with a decisive Alliance victory but horde still ended up with more bonus honor... go figure huh?

[Falgorn]

After two characters to exhaulted and a lot since then with AV on Alliance side I just can't stomach it that much anymore. I think getting angry at people over a game is very much a waste of time but Alliance in Alterac Vally have the propensity to make my blood boil with their unmitigated stupidity.

Still though, it can be fun when you time it and go in with a bunch of guildy's just to cause havoc in defence. It's amazing what 5 people working together on VENT can do in AV, and just how many opposing faction can be held back by a small organised team.

[Oatmealsmurf]

I'm right there with you on that. AV has become a waste of my time. I'm almost always in AB now. After I hit exalted I vowed to never go back because no one was interested in winning. I ultimately broke that vow to join the other honor farmers because it was a fast honor grind and I wanted 3 pieces of the pvp gear... but when I just want to pvp for the fun of competition I go to AB or WSG. And now that I have the three pieces I wanted I probably won't be back in AV for a good long time.

[Seldom]

I got a chance to see the AV bug in action last night. Yes, it is a bug with farsight (horde only) and hawkeye (available to both). You need to be within 20 yards of the flag to use it.

The reason it affects allies more is ironically, the terrain. The terrain advantages that allies have gives horde shamans and hunters plenty of places to hide while capping the flag via the bug. The terrain disadvantages that horde have at FW and RH give allies no places to hide (wide open areas within 20 yards of the flags).

[Gyoza]

out of curiousity, does the bug occur with Ornate Spyglass as well?

[Oatmealsmurf]

It might... someone says they saw a rogue do it as well.

[mesonm]

Well, I don't think its a bug with farsight...I think its a BG bug...I can stand on the wrong side of the AB Farm fence and cap that flag, while a diff player acts as if they are the ones capping it.

And, I'm a hunter, using no skills...Just clicking when I see the gold pointer...

[Bigairbrucey]

Ill be happy when i can get done with my pvp honor grind...the cheating whining and crying are making me not like rhe BG's any more

[Murray]

I saw a horde druid in cat form trying to cap the FWGY from behind the tree last night in AV. Tried it behind both trees and was able to start capping before we nailed him.

[D.K.night]

OMG so THAT'S why horde has been winning lately.

I was kinda wondering what the hell? Is alliance giving us horde a chance lately or what? It used to be horde would win *maybe* 1 game out of 100 - now we're winning games nearly 8/10 times or even 9/10 times.

I knew something was up but I had no idea it was just a total exploit.

[mipbar]

Yeah, I don't think it has to do with any spells.

You can, or could simply run closer to a flag, say the Stables flag on the beginning of a new A/B match, and instead of having to run right up to the flag to get the golden gear to start capping, you can stand back 20 feet, and get the same golden gear.

I did that yesterday. Boils down to simply right clicking from further away.

But, the horde could do it from really far away like standing on a hill outside the SP gy in AV out of view.

I tried with the hunters 'far site' view, forgot the spell name, and it didn't work. Maybe the shaman's did though, but it's not necessary.

[mipbar]

...and by the way, i love it. Queuing for 45 minutes to get into a/v is no fun at all. I had 6 minute queue times yesterday, and it was more balanced in my opinion. Sometimes horde won, sometimes alliance won. Either way, I came out with over 7k honor, YAY.

[rgirty]

Heard it was fixed with 2.0.4 small patch this morning.

[mipbar]

Did the alliance queues skyrocket again?

[Inferna]

I tried in AB last night on my alliance mage. I was able to cap the stables and lumber flag from like 20 yds away with no spells or items. Its easy to just find the hiding spots where people are doing this from so its not that big a factor in AB since there are only ever 7-8 people at a flag point that you have to worry about. In AV it would be hard to keep track of 20+ people all over the place using this exploit.